Ethan's Magcargo
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The game plan
We took 37 lists of this deck, handed in at 36 different tournaments, and counted every card in every one. For 29 of them we know how the day ended, and none won their tournament. 4 cards turn up in all of them, 11 slots out of 60. The other 49 are decided player by player, with 60 different cards turning up in them.
- 4 cards show up in all 37 lists, no exceptions: 11 of your 60 slots. Of those, 2 are Trainers, 9 are Pokémon and 0 are Energy. Start there. That leaves 49 slots for you to pick yourself.
- Your big card is Ethan's Ho-Oh ex, 230 HP. Shining Feathers hits for 160. It needs 4 Fire Energy attached.
- The sharpest disagreement is over Mega Kangaskhan ex: 19 of the 37 lists run it. The table below has all 60 cards fighting over the 49 free slots.
- Your attackers are Weak to Water, and 20 of the 125 decks we track attack in that type: Latias ex / Mega Kangaskhan ex, Mega Greninja ex and Marnie's Grimmsnarl ex / Froslass, among others. They are listed at the bottom, with the card that does the damage.
What Ethan's Magcargo looks like when you open the box
Across the 37 lists we counted, this deck runs 14 to 22 Pokémon, 27 to 34 Trainers and 9 to 14 Energy. Its attacks are paid for in Fire.
On results pages and on stream you will see it written « ethan-magcargo ». Every card named in that label turns up in the tables below, which is what makes it a fair name for the deck.
Look at the Energy: 9 to 14 out of 60, when half the 125 decks we track run 11 or fewer. This one carries more than most, and you feel it at the table — it wants to load up a big Pokémon and swing hard, even if that means drawing a spare Energy now and then.
It sets up fast. Ethan's Magcargo is a Stage 1 Pokémon: a Basic, one evolution on top, and you are attacking. Two cards instead of three. You lose fewer turns building, and you rebuild much more easily when an early knockout lands on you.
Look at the Trainers: 27 to 34 cards out of 60, against a median of 31 across the 125 decks we track. Inside that, 11 to 15 Supporters, and the rule there is strict — one a turn, even if you are holding three. The 11 to 18 Items you can play all of in the same turn. It also brings up to 3 Stadiums, and 118 of the 125 decks we track bring that many or more. Only one Stadium sits on the table at a time: the one you play sends the one already there to the discard pile.
What Tools and Stadiums do — the two Trainer families we skipped here — and why the Energy count says so much: how to read a deck list.
What fills the 60 slots
- Pokémon
- 14–22
- Trainers
- 27–34
- Energy
- 9–14
- Supporters
- 11–15
- Items
- 11–18
- Tools
- 0–3
- Stadiums
- 0–3
A range means the lists disagree with each other.
What the card in this deck's name actually does
Ethan's Magcargo gives this deck its name. Here is what is written on it.
Ethan's Magcargo is in all 37 lists, 3 copies of it. Its Ability is called Melt Away, and here is what is printed on it, word for word: « If this Pokémon has no Energy attached, it has no Retreat Cost. »
How Ethan's Magcargo actually wins
Ethan's Ho-Oh ex attacks with Shining Feathers for 160. It needs 4 Fire Energy attached, and it has 230 HP. And the number is not everything the card says. There is one more line printed under the attack, and it is the one everybody skips: "Heal 50 damage from each of your Pokémon."
The cost of Shining Feathers decides your first few turns. You only get to attach one Energy a turn, and that attack asks for 4. On your own attachments alone, your first real swing lands on turn 4. Except it charges itself. Ethan's Ho-Oh ex, which the list runs 3 of, has an Ability called Golden Flame: it attaches Energy from your hand on top of the one you already play. An Ability costs you nothing: not your attack, not your card for the turn. That is where this deck buys its turns, and it is the first thing to look for in your opening hand.
There is another trick in this list, and the whole of it happens in one turn. Team Rocket's Petrel goes into your deck for a Trainer card and puts it in your hand. Precious Trolley is one, and it puts as many Basic Pokémon as you like onto your Bench in one go. A full Bench on turn one is what decides the game in a deck with lines to build. One rule to know: Precious Trolley is an ACE SPEC card. You are allowed just ONE ACE SPEC in your whole deck, so a second copy is never coming, and taking this one means giving up every other. One detail that matters: Team Rocket's Petrel is a Supporter, so that turn you play no other Supporter. Items all still go through.
Here is the detail that quietly loses games. To pull Ethan's Ho-Oh ex back to the Bench you have to discard 2 Energy attached to it. Retreating does not cost you your turn, you can step back and still swing right after. What it costs you is the 2 Energy you spent 2 turns attaching, and you start that climb again from nothing. Pack a card that moves it for free, or send it up knowing it stays up.
Ethan's Ho-Oh ex carries the "ex" suffix, and your opponent takes 2 Prize cards instead of one when Ethan's Ho-Oh ex falls. They need 6 to win: 3 well-placed knockouts on that card beat you, where it would take 6 anywhere else on your Bench.
| Pokémon | HP | Attack | Damage | Cost | Weakness | Retreat |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ethan's Ho-Oh exBasic | 230 | Shining Feathers | 160 | Water ×2 | 2 | |
| Ethan's MagcargoStage 1 | 130 | Lava Burst | 70× | Water ×2 | 3 | |
| Ethan's SlugmaBasic | 80 | Steady Firebreathing | 20 | Water ×2 | 2 |
The core: the 4 cards every list runs
These 4 cards appear in all 37 lists, without a single exception. That is 11 of the 60 slots. The other 49 are decided player by player.
Look at how those 11 slots break down: 2 Trainers, 9 Pokémon, 0 Energy. Pokémon dominate, which is unusual: this deck needs bodies on the board, and it depends on any single attacker less than it looks.
4 of those 4 cards do not sit at the same count from list to list: Ethan's Ho-Oh ex (2 to 4), Ethan's Magcargo (2 to 4) and Ethan's Slugma (3 to 4), plus 1 more. Add those spreads up and you get 6 copies the 37 lists do not agree on, inside the core itself.
What "3 to 4" means in the copies column, what the "TWM 130" code under each name is for, and why we count dozens of lists instead of one: how to read a deck list.
| Copies | Card | Printing | Kind |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2–4 | Ethan's Ho-Oh ex | DRI 39 | Pokémon |
| 2–4 | Ethan's Magcargo | DRI 36 | Pokémon |
| 3–4 | Ethan's Slugma | DRI 35 | Pokémon |
| 1–2 | Boss's Orders | MEG 114 | Trainer |
The 60 cards that change from list to list
60 cards fight over the 49 slots that are left: 8 above three lists in four, 31 below one in four, and the percentage on each row says how many players took it.
The most agreed on first: Ethan's Adventure at 97 %, Fire Energy at 97 % and Lillie's Determination at 86 %, plus 5 more above 75 %. Add those to the core and you have the common build.
The dividing line runs through Mega Kangaskhan ex, at 51 %: 19 of 37 players took it, 18 put something else there. The ones who run it bring 2 copies. Right at the bottom of the table, Meowth ex (9 lists out of 37) and Max Rod (8 lists out of 37).
Why a card at 45 % is not a bad card, and what order to buy all this in: how to read a deck list.
| Lists running it | Card | Copies | Printing | Kind |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 97 %36/37 | Ethan's Adventure | 2–4 | DRI 165 | Trainer |
| 97 %36/37 | Fire Energy | 9–14 | MEE 2 | Energy |
| 86 %32/37 | Lillie's Determination | 2–4 | MEG 119 | Trainer |
| 86 %32/37 | Ultra Ball | 1–4 | MEG 131 | Trainer |
| 84 %31/37 | Fezandipiti ex | 1 | ASC 142 | Pokémon |
| 84 %31/37 | Energy Retrieval | 2–4 | SVI 171 | Trainer |
| 84 %31/37 | Night Stretcher | 2–3 | ASC 196 | Trainer |
| 84 %31/37 | Switch | 1–2 | MEG 130 | Trainer |
| 68 %25/37 | Special Red Card | 1 | CRI 82 | Trainer |
| 65 %24/37 | Team Rocket's Petrel | 1–4 | DRI 176 | Trainer |
| 65 %24/37 | Precious Trolley | 1 | SSP 185 | Trainer |
| 59 %22/37 | Latias ex | 1–2 | SSP 76 | Pokémon |
| 59 %22/37 | Ethan's Pinsir | 1 | DRI 1 | Pokémon |
| 59 %22/37 | Poké Pad | 2–4 | POR 81 | Trainer |
| 54 %20/37 | Pokégear 3.0 | 1–3 | SVI 186 | Trainer |
| 51 %19/37 | Mega Kangaskhan ex | 1–2 | MEG 104 | Pokémon |
| 51 %19/37 | Energy Search | 1–2 | POR 72 | Trainer |
| 51 %19/37 | Lana's Aid | 1–2 | TWM 155 | Trainer |
| 46 %17/37 | Firebreather | 1–3 | PFL 89 | Trainer |
| 41 %15/37 | Team Rocket's Transceiver | 4 | DRI 178 | Trainer |
| 41 %15/37 | Team Rocket's Factory | 3 | DRI 173 | Trainer |
| 38 %14/37 | Ethan's Cyndaquil | 1–2 | DRI 32 | Pokémon |
| 38 %14/37 | Ethan's Quilava | 1–2 | DRI 33 | Pokémon |
| 38 %14/37 | Ethan's Typhlosion | 1–2 | DRI 34 | Pokémon |
| 35 %13/37 | Energy Recycler | 1–3 | DRI 164 | Trainer |
| 32 %12/37 | Shaymin | 1 | DRI 10 | Pokémon |
| 32 %12/37 | Battle Cage | 1–3 | PFL 85 | Trainer |
| 30 %11/37 | Psyduck | 1 | ASC 39 | Pokémon |
| 30 %11/37 | Brave Bangle | 1–2 | WHT 80 | Trainer |
| 24 %9/37 | Meowth ex | 1 | POR 62 | Pokémon |
| 22 %8/37 | Max Rod | 1 | PRE 116 | Trainer |
| 19 %7/37 | Judge | 2 | POR 76 | Trainer |
| 16 %6/37 | Ethan's Pichu | 1–3 | DRI 71 | Pokémon |
| 16 %6/37 | Chi-Yu | 1 | MEG 31 | Pokémon |
| 16 %6/37 | Air Balloon | 1–2 | ASC 181 | Trainer |
| 16 %6/37 | Sacred Ash | 1 | DRI 168 | Trainer |
| 14 %5/37 | Carmine | 4 | TWM 145 | Trainer |
| 14 %5/37 | Lumiose City | 2 | POR 77 | Trainer |
| 14 %5/37 | Gravity Mountain | 1 | SSP 177 | Trainer |
| 11 %4/37 | Prime Catcher | 1 | TEF 157 | Trainer |
| 8 %3/37 | Moltres | 1 | PFL 14 | Pokémon |
| 8 %3/37 | Blowtorch | 1–2 | PFL 86 | Trainer |
| 5 %2/37 | Tatsugiri | 1 | TWM 131 | Pokémon |
| 5 %2/37 | Buddy-Buddy Poffin | 2–4 | TEF 144 | Trainer |
| 5 %2/37 | Xerosic's Machinations | 1–2 | SFA 64 | Trainer |
| 5 %2/37 | Kieran | 1 | TWM 154 | Trainer |
| 5 %2/37 | Tool Scrapper | 1 | ASC 212 | Trainer |
| 5 %2/37 | Nitro Fire Energy | 1–2 | CRI 86 | Energy |
| 3 %1/37 | Delphox | 3 | CRI 13 | Pokémon |
| 3 %1/37 | Fennekin | 3 | CRI 11 | Pokémon |
| 3 %1/37 | Braixen | 2 | CRI 12 | Pokémon |
| 3 %1/37 | Dudunsparce | 2 | TEF 129 | Pokémon |
| 3 %1/37 | Dunsparce | 2 | TEF 128 | Pokémon |
| 3 %1/37 | Ethan's Sudowoodo | 2 | DRI 93 | Pokémon |
| 3 %1/37 | Heatmor | 1 | WHT 19 | Pokémon |
| 3 %1/37 | Dawn | 1 | PFL 87 | Trainer |
| 3 %1/37 | Jamming Tower | 1 | TWM 153 | Trainer |
| 3 %1/37 | Rare Candy | 1 | MEG 125 | Trainer |
| 3 %1/37 | Surfer | 1 | SSP 187 | Trainer |
| 3 %1/37 | Water Energy | 12 | MEE 3 | Energy |
The most common Ethan's Magcargo list, all 60 cards
Here they are in full, ready to build. 11 slots come from the core, the cards all 37 lists run. The remaining 49 come from the table just above, working down it: the cards the most players chose, each at its most common copy count, until the total lands on 60.
This list is nobody's list in particular. It takes, slot by slot, what the most people played, under the guardrails a judge would hold you to: never more than four copies of a card, and one ACE SPEC. Behind the core it took 20 more cards to reach 60. The whole thing comes to 17 Pokémon, 31 Trainers and 12 Energy.
One thing to know before you build it: the 37 lists we counted are all from players who came in the top twenty of their tournament. Nobody publishes the lists of the players who lost. So what you have in front of you is what the players finishing near the top bring most often.
The text under the table is the one the game expects: copy it, paste it into the deck manager, and the list builds itself.
Why we only read lists from players who came in the top twenty of their tournament, and what that changes about every percentage on this page: how to read a deck list.
| Copies | Card | Printing | Kind | Where it comes from |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 3 | Ethan's Ho-Oh ex | DRI 39 | Pokémon | every list |
| 3 | Ethan's Magcargo | DRI 36 | Pokémon | every list |
| 3 | Ethan's Slugma | DRI 35 | Pokémon | every list |
| 2 | Boss's Orders | MEG 114 | Trainer | every list |
| 3 | Ethan's Adventure | DRI 165 | Trainer | 97 % |
| 12 | Fire Energy | MEE 2 | Energy | 97 % |
| 2 | Lillie's Determination | MEG 119 | Trainer | 86 % |
| 1 | Ultra Ball | MEG 131 | Trainer | 86 % |
| 1 | Fezandipiti ex | ASC 142 | Pokémon | 84 % |
| 4 | Energy Retrieval | SVI 171 | Trainer | 84 % |
| 2 | Night Stretcher | ASC 196 | Trainer | 84 % |
| 2 | Switch | MEG 130 | Trainer | 84 % |
| 1 | Special Red Card | CRI 82 | Trainer | 68 % |
| 4 | Team Rocket's Petrel | DRI 176 | Trainer | 65 % |
| 1 | Precious TrolleyACE SPEC | SSP 185 | Trainer | 65 % |
| 2 | Latias ex | SSP 76 | Pokémon | 59 % |
| 1 | Ethan's Pinsir | DRI 1 | Pokémon | 59 % |
| 3 | Poké Pad | POR 81 | Trainer | 59 % |
| 2 | Pokégear 3.0 | SVI 186 | Trainer | 54 % |
| 2 | Mega Kangaskhan ex | MEG 104 | Pokémon | 51 % |
| 1 | Energy Search | POR 72 | Trainer | 51 % |
| 1 | Lana's Aid | TWM 155 | Trainer | 51 % |
| 2 | Firebreather | PFL 89 | Trainer | 46 % |
| 2 | Ethan's Cyndaquil | DRI 32 | Pokémon | 38 % |
Pokémon: 17 3 Ethan's Ho-Oh ex DRI 39 3 Ethan's Magcargo DRI 36 3 Ethan's Slugma DRI 35 1 Fezandipiti ex ASC 142 2 Latias ex SSP 76 1 Ethan's Pinsir DRI 1 2 Mega Kangaskhan ex MEG 104 2 Ethan's Cyndaquil DRI 32 Trainer: 31 2 Boss's Orders MEG 114 3 Ethan's Adventure DRI 165 2 Lillie's Determination MEG 119 1 Ultra Ball MEG 131 4 Energy Retrieval SVI 171 2 Night Stretcher ASC 196 2 Switch MEG 130 1 Special Red Card CRI 82 4 Team Rocket's Petrel DRI 176 1 Precious Trolley SSP 185 3 Poké Pad POR 81 2 Pokégear 3.0 SVI 186 1 Energy Search POR 72 1 Lana's Aid TWM 155 2 Firebreather PFL 89 Energy: 12 12 Fire Energy MEE 2 Total Cards: 60
How many different cards Ethan's Magcargo needs, and how long it will last
You need 64 different cards to cover every version of this deck, 4 of which nobody argues about. The rest is where lists differ from one another, and that is where you have room to choose.
36 of these 37 lists bring an ACE SPEC, and that is where they part ways: 24 took Precious Trolley, 8 took Max Rod and 4 took Prime Catcher. You are allowed ONE ACE SPEC card in your whole deck, so a single copy covers it whatever it costs. New to this deck? Take Precious Trolley and watch what the others do with theirs before you switch.
Then there is time, and the answer is a good one: not one of the 4 core cards carries the letter H, the one that goes at the next rotation. This deck walks through the change whole.
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What Ethan's Magcargo struggles against
The attackers in this deck are Weak to Water, so they take DOUBLE damage from that type. 20 of the 125 decks we track attack in exactly that type.
Concretely, here is what is waiting for you: Latias ex / Mega Kangaskhan ex (Wellspring Mask Ogerpon ex), Mega Greninja ex and Marnie's Grimmsnarl ex / Froslass, plus 17 more decks. The table below takes them one at a time, and those are the lists you practise against first before an event.
This table counts one thing, Weakness, and that comes to 20 decks out of the 125 we track. The other 105 do not attack into yours, and this table says nothing about them. You will still run into them.
Going the other way, your attackers are Fire, and 29 of the decks we track have an attacker Weak to one of those: Slowking, Mega Excadrill ex and Teal Mask Ogerpon ex / Meganium / Hydrapple ex, among others. That is you doubling, for once. Second half of the table.
They double the damage they put on you
| Deck | Their card | Type |
|---|---|---|
| Latias ex / Mega Kangaskhan ex | Wellspring Mask Ogerpon ex | Water |
| Mega Greninja ex | Mega Greninja ex | Water |
| Marnie's Grimmsnarl ex / Froslass | Froslass | Water |
| Team Rocket's Mewtwo ex | Team Rocket's Articuno | Water |
| Mega Starmie ex | Mega Starmie ex | Water |
| Mega Starmie ex / Froslass | Mega Starmie ex | Water |
| Seaking | Seaking | Water |
| Mega Starmie ex / Dusknoir | Mega Starmie ex | Water |
| Mega Abomasnow ex | Mega Abomasnow ex | Water |
| Mega Froslass ex | Mega Froslass ex | Water |
| Wellspring Mask Ogerpon ex / Fan Rotom | Wellspring Mask Ogerpon ex | Water |
| Froslass / Munkidori | Froslass | Water |
| Palafin ex | Palafin ex | Water |
| Dragapult ex / Froslass | Froslass | Water |
| Mega Froslass ex / Dudunsparce | Mega Froslass ex | Water |
| Misty's Gyarados | Misty's Gyarados | Water |
| Mega Feraligatr ex | Mega Feraligatr ex | Water |
| Wailord ex | Wailord ex | Water |
| Wailord ex | Wailord ex | Water |
| Feraligatr | Feraligatr | Water |
You double the damage you put on them
| Deck | Their card | Type |
|---|---|---|
| Slowking | Metagross | Fire |
| Mega Excadrill ex | Mega Excadrill ex | Fire |
| Teal Mask Ogerpon ex / Meganium / Hydrapple ex | Meganium | Fire |
| Festival Lead | Thwackey | Fire |
| Crustle | Crustle | Fire |
| Cynthia's Garchomp ex | Cynthia's Roserade | Fire |
| Teal Mask Ogerpon ex / Meganium / Arboliva ex | Arboliva ex | Fire |
| Beedrill ex | Beedrill ex | Fire |
| Team Rocket's Mewtwo ex | Team Rocket's Spidops | Fire |
| Steven's Metagross ex | Steven's Metagross ex | Fire |
| Raging Bolt ex / Teal Mask Ogerpon ex | Teal Mask Ogerpon ex | Fire |
| Mega Venusaur ex | Mega Venusaur ex | Fire |
| Seaking | Thwackey | Fire |
| Teal Mask Ogerpon ex / Meganium | Meganium | Fire |
| Lillie's Clefairy ex / Teal Mask Ogerpon ex | Teal Mask Ogerpon ex | Fire |
| Doublade | Aegislash | Fire |
| Archaludon ex / N's Zoroark ex | Archaludon ex | Fire |
| Hop's Zacian ex | Hop's Zacian ex | Fire |
| Team Rocket's Spidops | Team Rocket's Spidops | Fire |
| Decidueye ex | Decidueye ex | Fire |
| Archaludon ex / Dudunsparce | Archaludon ex | Fire |
| Metagross | Metagross | Fire |
| Sinistcha / Teal Mask Ogerpon ex | Sinistcha | Fire |
| Erika's Victreebel | Erika's Victreebel | Fire |
| Archaludon ex | Archaludon ex | Fire |
| Hydrapple ex | Hydrapple ex | Fire |
| Scovillain ex | Capsakid | Fire |
| Scizor ex | Genesect ex | Fire |
| N's Zoroark ex / Crustle | Crustle | Fire |
Questions people ask
- What is the Ethan's Magcargo deck list?
- There isn't one, so we built one for you: all 60 cards are written out further up this page. Across 37 tournament lists harvested between 16 August 2026 and 18 October 2026, 4 cards turn up in every single one, 11 slots out of 60. The remaining 49 change from player to player, with 60 different cards competing for them. Both tables are above.
- How many lists is this counted on, and where do they come from?
- 37 lists, played across 36 different tournaments, harvested between 16 August 2026 and 18 October 2026 from play.limitlesstcg.com. All 37 were read card by card, and every card recognised.
- Where do I start if I want to build Ethan's Magcargo?
- With the whole core: 4 cards, 11 slots. Inside it, buy the 2 Trainer slots and the 0 Energy first: they carry over into your next deck. Leave the 9 Pokémon slots for last. Only then work down the flex table and add the cards the most lists agree on, starting with Ethan's Adventure at 97 % and Fire Energy at 97 %.
- What beats Ethan's Magcargo?
- Its attackers are Weak to Water, so they take double damage from an attacker of that type. 20 of the 125 decks we track play an attacker of that type: Latias ex / Mega Kangaskhan ex, Mega Greninja ex, Marnie's Grimmsnarl ex / Froslass and Team Rocket's Mewtwo ex, among others.
- Will Ethan's Magcargo survive the next rotation?
- Yes, whole: not one of the 4 core cards carries the letter H. At equal price, that is the argument that should settle where your money goes.
- Are a lot of people playing Ethan's Magcargo?
- We have read 37 lists of it, which puts it 89th of the 125 decks we track by lists read. The platform those tournaments run on counts 13 entries for it, 0.05 % of the field, across all its players. That figure is theirs.
Where all of this comes from
37 lists from play.limitlesstcg.com, played across 36 events, harvested between 16 August 2026 and 18 October 2026. The 64 cards named here were read against poko's own catalogue, built on the public TCGdex API.
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